The Inclusion Podcast

What if professional learning didn’t have to mean another long meeting or another slide deck? In this episode, Julie and Kristie share how schools are transforming 15-minute podcast episodes into meaningful professional learning that sparks reflection, conversation, and real changes in practice. You’ll discover a simple framework for using podcasts in PLCs, staff meetings, and leadership teams to create learning that educators actually look forward to. Download the free resource: Podcast-Powered Professional Learning Guide at inclusiveschooling.com/download78.

What if the key to changing behavior isn’t tracking what’s going wrong, but noticing what’s going right? In this episode, Kristie and Julie introduce the “success minutes” framework, a simple but powerful shift that helps teams focus on moments of engagement, regulation, and connection. You’ll learn how to spot small wins, uncover patterns, and use them to create more success throughout the day. Download the free resource: The Success Minutes Quick Tracker at inclusiveschooling.com/download77.

“They’re too distractible” is often used as a quick justification for pull-out, but what if it’s pointing to something else entirely? In this episode, Kristie and Julie unpack why distractibility is not a placement decision and how it often signals a need for better supports, not removal. You’ll learn what to say in the moment and how to redesign instruction, environment, and engagement so students can succeed right where they are. Download the free resource: What to Say When Distractibility Is Used as a Reason for Pull-Out at inclusiveschooling.com/download76.

“We’re preparing students for the real world”, but what if that version of the real world is outdated, inequitable, and not a life anyone would choose? In this episode, Julie and Kristie challenge common school practices that prioritize compliance over autonomy, especially for students with disabilities, and expose how systems like “life skills” classrooms often lower expectations instead of expanding opportunity. You’ll be invited to rethink what real preparation looks like, and how to design schools that reflect the flexible, human-centered world we actually live in. Download the free resource: 12 Steps to Closing Life Skills Rooms at inclusiveschooling.com/download75.

You may think you’ve moved beyond behavior charts, but what if they’re still showing up in disguise? In this episode, Julie and Kristie uncover the hidden ways behavior systems still operate through public tracking, rewards, and subtle comparisons that can shame and exclude students. You’ll learn how to spot these patterns and shift toward approaches that build regulation, trust, and belonging instead of compliance. Download the free resource: Behavior Charts in Disguise—and What to Do Instead at inclusiveschooling.com/download74.

When a student is struggling, “they need a small group” can sound like the right solution, but too often, it’s code for removal and exclusion. In this episode, Julie and Kristie unpack the common trap of equating support with separation and show how small group instruction can, and should, happen within general education. You’ll learn how to shift from pull-out thinking to inclusive design using flexible grouping, choice, and intentional planning. Download the free resource: Let’s Rethink What Small Group Really Means at inclusiveschooling.com/download73. 

Imagine someone supporting you all day—deciding when to step in, what to say, and how close to stand. In this episode, Kristie and Julie explore how even well-intentioned help can become intrusive, overwhelming, or counterproductive for students. You'll learn how to evaluate support through the lens of dignity, autonomy, and the true purpose of inclusion. Download the 30 Reflection Questions at inclusiveschooling.com/download72.

Praise might feel positive—but it can actually backfire. In this episode, Julie and Kristie dig into why overpraising can reduce motivation, damage trust, and even increase student anxiety. You’ll walk away with seven key shifts educators can make to support authentic, internal motivation in every learner. Download the Praise Reframe Guide at inclusiveschooling.com/download71.

What if we’ve misunderstood what engagement really looks like? In this powerful episode, Kristie and Julie unpack why rest, quiet moments, and nonverbal participation are all valid—and vital—ways students engage with learning. You’ll hear how reframing “doing nothing” can create more equitable classrooms for neurodivergent and disabled learners. Get the reframing language guide at inclusiveschooling.com/download70.

Is “doing hard things” really the right benchmark for students with disabilities? In this episode, Julie and Kristie challenge the idea that completing unpreferred tasks is an appropriate or meaningful IEP goal. They explore what makes a goal truly inclusive, and offer guidance on how to write goals that support autonomy, dignity, and real-world relevance. Download the 5 Questions to Test IEP Goals at inclusiveschooling.com/download69.